we don't need a purpose?

We make our own purpose in life that we strive to achieve with self-motivation because that's all we need

and scientists are still working on how something came from nothing but one theory I heard was that there's antimatter and matter and when you put them together you have nothing so then if there was the Big Bang the antimatter and matter could of separated making something but I'm not 100% sure on that its just a theory I heard

so I've got one atheist telling me purpose is unnecessary and another telling me they make their own purpose.

by 100% sure I mean I'm not sure if that's exactly what the theory is but I know it's along those basics

makes so much sense

no I'm saying we don't need a purpose in life I'm not saying we can't make our own because many religious people make it seem like oh why would we just randomly be here on the earth without a purpose but we don't need to have a purpose for the reason we are here on earth but we can make a purpose of our lives if that makes sense

"anti matter"??? omg. so tell me then, since you have all the answers, how time and space came to be.

actually science says we don have all the answers that's just a theory that some scientists have? I'm not saying it's correct

then why is it wrong to kill?? after all, we have no absolute purpose so it must be okay for me to kill you

so science could be wrong?? the Big Bang could be wrong?? evolution could be wrong??

and space and time are more of one thing space-time then two separate things and space-time was created during the Big Bang

what could have exploded if there was nothing there to explode?

yes it could be wrong but we have lots of evidence pointing towards it being correct but for example if you found a fossil in the wrong rock layer then scientists would take that into account and change their theories

What the f is wrong with your morals @c-s

and as we've evolved we've made a society were there are rules and morals

^^they haven't changed their basic theory over the past hundreds of years regarding their belief in a God.

You don't just say, "It must be okay for me to kill you" that's like a threat, even though you're using it as an example you usually don't threaten a person you'll kill them or give them the notion that you want to kill them or even that it would be okay to kill them

I don't know what the whole theory is about I just know what I heard which is that antimatter and matter together is nothing so if you were to separate those in something like the Big Bang it would create something from nothing

^^it was strictly an example. I would never kill someone for being an atheist.

^anti matter is still a thing. it has to be (if it even exists).

but that's the problem with religion in some ways? some people refuse to stop believing things even tho we have facts saying that isn't true for example how people believe the world to be only 6000 years old but we have rock dated back farther then that

if you're gonna try saying everything can't just be there it must have something to create it then please explain how God was created or should we just make an exception to that rule for your God?

I don't believe the world is 6000 years old and neither does anyone else I know. it's obvious that the world is older than that.

can I ask where people are getting that from??

but some people do there are people who believe in creationism and believe the world is that old

^God couldn't have been created. in order to create time, you have to be outside of time.

I'm not sure but I watched a debate about it so some people must believe it

^ig people are getting that from the bible. someone probably calculated that there was a 6000 year gap between now and the beginning of the bible. it's kind of insane that people think that.

so god was just there? that doesn't make much sense either?

yeah idk why people believe that but some people do?

in order for anything to create something like time and space, it has to be outside of time and space. it also has to be eternal. (also outside of time)

it can be confusing to debate with some religious people because they all believe different things like my one friend (in real life) takes most of the bible as a metaphor but my other friend thinks everything in the bible is how it happened

and do you have any proof for that?

and also science believe time (space-time) to be created by the Big Bang so technically it was created by something before space-time

your friend who believes parts of the bible is a metaphor is correct. each book of the bible has a different author w a different writing style. some wrote literally, (Luke) and others wrote metaphorically (Genesis)

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but like Noah's ark for example I debating with my one friend about if that's what happened and she thinks it is what happened and my other friend believes it to not be completely true in how the bible says it

so the Big Bang implies a supernatural being?? interesting

no it doesn't?

^^i really don't think Noah's ark could've been possible. so your metaphorical friend would've been right.

are you even aware of where the idea of the Big Bang first came from??

I know the Big Bang came from a priest but the way I believe it does not include God

when that priest first told the public about his theory atheists hated it because it implied a God.

ok there are tons of facts proving Noah's ark to be not possible so if I believed in any of the bible it would not be that

something CANNOT come from nothing-it's simple physics. if a scientific theory doesn't fit this rule then it's invalid. period.

if you were to believe in the bible what would you believe in??

but atheists now still believe in the Big Bang just without God being in the picture...many religious people hated evolution when the idea first came and said people couldn't reach it in classrooms but now many religious people accept it and say the bible supports it?

well not supports it but it happened over a longer period and the bible is a metaphor

scientists are trying to find the answers to that now it isn't invalided because we still don't have all the answers?

once we have all the answers then we can say things are invalid or not but until then we don't have enough proof to say that about anything

the Church doesn't teach against evolution so you can't go against the Church for that. it could have happened, yes. I personally don't think it did tho.

if I did believe any of the bible i would believe it as a metaphor because I have read parts of the bible and heard parts of the bible and then seen facts and there aren't ways they could really fit together besides being a metaphor

and the bible doesn't support it, it never even mentions it. just because Genesis is a metaphor doesn't mean that humans once had tails, 10 legs, and a horn on our heads.

I mean along time ago around 1920's is when it was illegal to teach evolution in classrooms because religious people said it went against what they thought but know religious people accept it...what do you believe happened then?

a lot of the Old Testament is a metaphor, but the New Testament isn't.

people changed their minds. that's not wrong. they looked at it a different way and that's fine.

idk mean that it wasn't the write word I meant religious people accept it know and say that God making the world in 7 days actually happened over a lot longer period of time

that's because it did happen over a course of more than 7 days.

I know I was just using it as an example when you said about how atheists first hates he Big Bang theory

but they believe that the 7 days is a metaphor for millions billions of years

Yep. and you believe the universe came from literally nothing. which sounds more absurd?

because an all powerful man in the sky who made everything and we never see or hear for but loves all of us makes so much more sense?

like you are basically an atheist too in many ways there are so many gods you don't believe in and why does everyone find it so stupid to believe in those gods but this god is so different that it isn't absurd at all

where did you get the idea that we've never seen or heard God??

I guess you could say I am, but what does that have to do with anything?

the problem with religion and the theory of the Big Bang and something coming from nothing is that this happened such a long time ago our human brains can not comprehend this it is so big it just blows our minds and in my opinion many people first believed in religion because it gave us easy answers and it still does because we understand what religion explains when the human Brain can't comprehend how old and big the universe is

last time I checked we haven't been able to physically see a god like if you get God to come and I'll see him and shake his hand then I'll believe in religion by wait that's never happened has it?

you ran away from religion because you didn't get all the answers you wanted. religion doesn't say that we can comprehend everything, and it isn't a shortcut through reality.

I don't understand why people find some gods or things like fairies so stupid like you'd go why in the world would this exist but then when it comes to this God people are like yep he's 100% true

Ever heard of Jesus Christ?? I'm pretty sure he held people's hands.

it did happen and the history of the world revolves around him being here

no I don't believe in religion because it doesn't make sense and I didn't agree with it? religion does give you like all the answers but both my parents are scientists and taught me about science and I see it without a god when they see it with a god

it actually does give you a lot of answers that are simple?

there's a difference between God and fairies.

we don't know if what was written about him is true or if he was even real?

give me some examples please?

it gives you answers that are both simple and complicated. simple being that you should love everyone, and complicated being the Trinity. so what?

but there are tons of other gods that people go oh that's just nonsense and absurd but of course not our God he's true af

well firstly the cross that he died on was found and brought to Rome.

wait you forgot we can't love those gays they are a disgrace and sinners going to hèll

but I mean the bible gives you answers to the world and how it was created and it's really simple

so people like it cause they can understand it

but we don't have proof of him actually Doing miracles and stuff anyone could simply die on a cross

the bible never says that. it just says that homosexuality is a sin. it also says that stealing is a sin, but in the bible Jesus are with tax collectors who often stole from the people.

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actually that cross was preserved in Bethlehem and over 1000 years ago a saints mother came and brought the cross and other priceless religious pieces to Rome. it's been proven.

well religious people still seem to hate gays like let's see they won't let them go into certain restaurants, they wouldn't let them get married, many religious parents disown their children because they are gay and make them go live one their own should I keep going?

because it's a sin. now I don't agree with not letting them in restaurants, but technically Churches aren't under the jurisdiction of the law so just because gay marriage is legal doesn't mean that the churches have to issue them.

yes but let's take this as an example people used to think that the Egyptian kings were gods but if I told you that you'd say that's stupid but I have proof they were alive so they must be gods like people's used to believe them to be right?

and I've heard of plenty of parents who abused their children who were straight and kicked them out as well.

yes but religious people where against making it legal in the first place?

no, people used to think that statues were Gods.

but I'm pretty sure they didn't do that because they were straight

no people used to believe that Egyptian kings were gods or at least sons of gods

people also used to believe that the earth was flat. to be more specific, SCIENTISTS thought that. and exactly how wrong and stupid were they?

and I have proof they lived so by your logic they must of been gods or sons of gods too right? or does that just sound stupid?

should it matter why someone abuses their kids?? it's horrible no matter the reason

then what were their golden statues that they worshipped??

everyone believed the world was flat a long time ago? and scientists found out they were wrong and changed it?

God existed before "gods" did.

they worshipped to gods and maybe made statues for them but they also believe the Kings where gods or sons of gods

but you have no proof of that at all

maybe they'll do that with the Big Bang too.

okay. what's your point?

the bible also says that witches and people with magic should be killed but we know now that magic and witches are real so?

no proof of what?? God being around before "gods"??

so what?? and that's said in the Old Testament. in the Council of Jerusalem it was decided that Catholic's weren't required to follow the Torra where that is mentioned.

I'm gonna go to sleep, if you want to text/email I'd be happy to continue this that way tomorrow. (its harder for me to respond quickly on PC because it often glitches and I don't have notifications on) my email is stellamariebudde@gmail.com (for text as well)

yes because if we knew he was it would be a fact?

but it seems like the rule was written by a God who didn't know the world or maybe a men just made it all up maybe?

ok I had to go to sleep too that's why I haven't responded til now

"maybe men just made it all up." that was literally the most ignorant thing you could've said.

why is it ignorant? being an atheist I believe that God doesn't exist so to me the bible is just a book men wrote without knowing a god and they came up with this god themselves

why would we do that??

well I mean people believed in Zeus and they wouldn't of just made him up right? but no one believes in those gods they are just stories that someone made up

so what's so special about this god?

where does this put me? I'm agnostic, which means that I don't believe in a certain God, but I don't deny the possibility of there being one.

^you could still try to answer the question if you like

"God isn’t nothing. To posit that God started the universe and then immediately say God didn’t have to come from anywhere or anything is to make two assertions where one will do: that the universe didn’t have to either. Divine creation is not a simpler explanation, it’s just the one that meets the religious criterion that a god be necessary to the process at some point. I often say that any restriction you place on the universe to necessitate a god must immediately be broken to allow for a god."

Also, to keep it simple, from just an animalistic point of view, the point of life is just to reproduce, to keep your genes going. It's just natural instinct. So while I believe that other than that life has no given purpose, you can still make your life purposeful. Thats why we set goals for ourselves.

that's the wrong definition of an atheist